A Documentary of The Peace Talk

2012年10月30日克钦与缅政府代表和谈纪实

2012年10月30日，缅甸克钦独立军代表与缅政府代表在中国瑞丽进行“推进和平”的正式谈判。谈判于10月30日下午结束，并已取得一定进展。这是多次谈判以来缅方首次接受克钦提出来的政治谈判的要求。

克钦独立组织代表在谈判中提出的谈判要求之一，即谈判关于政治问题——民族政治权力问题，得到了缅方代表昂明的口头承诺。即缅方代表初步认可和接受克钦独立组织所提出的关于解决民族政治诉求，也就是联邦（自治）主权问题。会谈中，缅政府代表团成员林业部副部长对克钦所提出的谈判要求作出答复说：“克钦只要不提出脱离缅甸之要求，什么都可以谈。”克钦方代表春雷干回答说：“我们不是为了要脱离缅甸而提出政治诉求，而是为了缅甸联邦的完整而提出的。希望缅政府用宪法及法律来确定和保障缅甸各民族的联邦（自治）主权得到真正的、合法的保护。这一诉求自克钦独立组织开始与缅方的和谈至今从未改变，如果缅政府不按联邦‘邦隆协议’的相关条款兑现少数民族的政治权力并进行保护，那么，克钦脱离缅甸是自然的。”

目前，缅方对克钦独立组织的答复是：政治问题和军事问题的谈判可以同时进行。昂明认为，他们（缅方）希望能够为缅甸与各帮派之间的永久和平而努力，希望克钦能与缅政府携手共建永久的和平。但克钦方认为，战争是由政治的因素造成的，自1963、1988、1994年以来，缅政府与克钦之间曾多次停火，但最终无法避免战争的再次发生，其根源是克钦大地最基本的民族联邦（自治）主权未能从根本上得到解决而造成的，如果能解决好民族权力和联邦（自治）主权问题，才能从根本上避免战争的再次发生，才能根除内战。要实现缅甸的永久和平，那么必须要先从政治上解决好民族的政治及联邦（自治）主权问题，唯有这样，才能真正结束缅甸内战。

谈判中，缅方认为他们是在自卫，但克钦代表早诺说：“我们克钦没有攻进缅甸政府的重要城市如内比都、瓦城等城市，而缅方却用120、150及各种现代重型武器攻击克钦的总部拉扎，这难道是你们所谓的‘自卫’吗？谁先开的第一枪、谁先发起的战争，这是人人都有目共睹的事。”接着，克钦司法部长（代表之一）向缅方代表提问：“我们克钦也在渴望和平，但缅方在口头上说不打，但实际行动上却一直在对克钦发动着进攻，对克钦各战略要地发动大规模的战略性攻击。我们不明白、不理解你们所谓的‘和平’是什么和平。再则，你们一直在积极地部署大量的兵力、调动大量的军事物资来对克钦大地进行长期作战准备，并一直在不停地用120、150武器攻击我们的村庄，我们无法理解你们所说的‘永久和平’是什么。”昂明（缅方代表）回答说：“缅政府军人死了是自己人（本国人），克钦军人死了也是自己人（本国人），所以希望战争能尽快结束，希望和平谈判能尽快地成功。”早诺（克钦方代表）说：“你们缅方所谓的‘和平’，希望不是对国际上的口头和平，而希望是你们缅方用实际行动来实现的和平。缅方代表昂明说：“使用120、150武器是要通过缅北”军区总司令及国防部授权和命令执行的，但本次和谈，我们本来希望克钦方的滚么将军来出席，而滚么将军缺席了，导致缅方的米苏上将也缺席会议，所以不能在此答复贵方，在本次和谈中的军事问题就不能解决。”克钦方代表早诺回答：“滚么将军是十分想来参加本次和谈的，但由于自本月24至29日，缅军加大对克钦地区的攻击力度，滚么将军忙于军事，无法参加本次和谈。”缅方说表示十分遗憾。

接着，缅方代表昂明说：“我们可以接受克钦提出的关于政治权力问题的谈判，但希望能在缅控区比如木姐、八莫一带进行，我本人会亲自来迎接你们。”随后昂明拿出一件衣服说：“虽然滚么将军这次未能出席和谈，但无论如何，我将把这件从美国带来的礼物，一件外衣赠送给将军。我在美国好不容易才找到的适合小个子穿的衣服，请转交给滚么将军。”缅方代表之一，原密支那军区司令翁敏发言说：“我对克钦邦是有感情的”，随后唱起了“景颇故乡”之歌，并说：“这首歌也是有中文歌词的，我很喜欢，我还喜欢景颇的目脑纵歌，希望能与克钦的和谈能取得成功。”

会议即将结束时，翁敏突然拉着一位参加和谈的克钦女孩的手说：“一定要和谈成功，如是不成功，那就将你分成两份，一份给克钦，一份给缅政府。”克钦女孩回答说：“你不要把我分成两半，但土地可以分成两半。”

本信息来源：景颇大地

2012年12月30日

 

 

A Documentary of The Peace Talk

Between Kachin and Myanmar Government Representatives

 

October 30^th 2012, a named “Peace Promotion” negotiation between representatives of Kachin State and Myanmar Government has been held in Ruili, a border city close to Myanmar of China. The Talk folded up at the afternoon and it has carries out some progress. It is the first time that the Myanmar government to accept to discuss about the talk of politic requirement from since dozens of negotiation.

The first requirement from Kachin representatives in this peace talk is the political right of Kachin state, which means the national autonomous right of Kachin land. This requirement has got verbal commitment from Aung Ming, a representative of Myanmar government, it means that the representative of Myanmar government recognize and accept to settle the requirement from KIO of settling national political aspiration, which is the federal issue of sovereignty (autonomy).

During the Talk, one of the representative from Myanmar government, the Minister of Forest gives the answer to the requirement of political right from Kachin representatives “Anything can be discussed as long as Kachin doesn’t propose to set apart of Myanmar.” Then the representative of Kachin Mr Chun Lie Gun says “We make political demands not for get rid of Myanmar but for the integrity of the Union of Myanmar. We hope that Myanmar government will identify and protect the sovereignty and federation (autonomy right)of minority nations of Myanmar to get real and legal protect. The appeal of federal autonomy right requirement of KIO has never changed since we started peace talk with Myanmar government. And, if Myanmar government doesn’t honor minority political right and protect it according to the related terms of Federal Banlung Agreement, it is naturally that the Kachin State will apart from Myanmar.”

Presently, the answer from Myanmar for Kachin Sate is: The discussion of political requirement and military problem will be held at the same time. Aung Ming (a representative of Myanmar government) says that Myanmar government want to be able to work for permanent peace between Myanmar government and Kachin, and the government hope that Kachin will join and hand in hand with the government to build a permanent peace. But Kachin think the civil war between government and Kachin caused by political factors. Since 1963,1988 and 1994, ceasefire has repeatedly for several times between Myanmar government and Kachin but ultimately could not prevent war from happening again, its root is the basic national federation (autonomy) sovereignty has never been fundamentally solved. The only way to fundamentally prevent war from happening again and eradicate the civil war is to solve the issue of national authority of sovereignty and federal autonomy. And it is the only way to truly achieve permanent peace and end the civil war in Myanmar.

During the talk, the government representatives say that in the civil war they are just self-defense. The representative of Kachin Mr Zau Naw says: “We Kachin had never attacked the centre cities like Naypyidaw and Mandalay of Myanmar government, but your government troop attached our Kachin capital city Laiza with variety heavy weapon like 120and 150, was it your so-called ‘self-defense’? whosever fired the first shot, who first initiated the war, it is obvious to everyone.” Another representative of Kachin, minister of justice says follow by: “We Kachin also yearn for peace. Myanmar government verbally said stop fight, but in fact the government troop lunched a large scale offensive and attack on Kachin strategic places, we really do not understand what is your so-called ‘peace’, furthermore, you have been actively deploy a great number of troop and mobilize large number of military supplies for long-term battle, and have attacked our villages with 120 and 150 weapons, we really can not understand what is your so-called ‘permanent peace’. ” “Whether the Myanmar government solder died or Kachin solder died, they are our nation. So we hope the war stop as soon as possible, and hope that the peace negotiations successfully as soon as possible. ” the representative of government Aung Ming says. “Your Myanmar government so-called ‘peace’, we hope, not oral peace, but a peace through concrete actions.” says Mr Zau Nor, the representative of Kachin. “We executed to use the 120 and 150 weapons was through the authorization of North Burma Military commander. We hope general Gun Mo of Kachin to attend the peace talk, but he absent, it causes our general not attend the talk and we can not solve the issue of military.” says Aung Ming, the representative of Myanmar government. “Our general Gun Mo sincerely like to attend the talk, but since September 24-29, your army increase attack force strength. Our general is busy with military affairs, so he can not attend the peace talk. ” says the representative of Kachin. The government representatives say it is a pity.

Then the talk continue. The representative of Myanmar government Aung Ming says: “We can accept the political negotiation requirement from Kachin, but we hope the meeting will be held in government controlled area such as Muse or BaMo, and I myself will greet you personally.” AungMing brings out a gift and says: “although General GunMo can not attend the peace talk, I will give him this coat as a gift. I bought it in America, a small size coat is hard to be found in America but I found it. The size is suitable for General GunMo, please help me to bring it to him.”

AongMing, the former Myitkyina military commander says: “I have feelings on Kachin”. Then he sings a song named “the hometown of Jimpo” and says: “ The song has its Chinese sings , I like very much, I also like Munao dance very much.” He holds a Kachin girl’s hand and saying to her: “We must work hard to make the peace talk successfully. If not, we will share a half of you, and the Kachin will share another half.” The girls says: “A person can not be divided into two, but land can be.”